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Study: Homeopathy Drugs Don't Work

Homeopathic Remedies No Better Than Sugar Pills?

      By Daniel DeNoon
      WebMD Medical News  Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
      on Thursday, August 25, 2005

Aug. 25, 2005 -- The widely touted benefits of homeopathic drugs are merely
placebo effects, a new study suggests.

Clinical trials almost always show that patients given inactive sugar
pills -- placebos -- do better than untreated patients. It's called the
placebo effect.

Clinical trials of homeopathic remedies sometimes show that these treatments
work better than placebos. But a new analysis -- comparing published studies
of homeopathic drugs to matched, randomly selected studies of medical
drugs -- suggests that these apparent homeopathic drug effects are merely
placebo effects.

Matthias Egger, MD, director of the department of social and preventive
medicine (ISPM) at the University of Berne, Switzerland, led the study. He
notes that small studies of both homeopathic and medical drugs are prey to
biases favoring positive results. Such studies, he says, show relatively
large positive effects for both homeopathic and conventional medicines.

But larger, more careful studies have fewer biases, Egger says. And these
studies tell a different story.

"The effect of homeopathy disappears if you look only at large, good trials;
whereas the conventional medicines' effect is still there," Egger tells
WebMD. "This means there is no difference between placebo and homeopathic
remedies."

Egger and colleagues report their findings in the Aug. 27 issue of The
Lancet.

What is Homeopathy ?

Homeopathy is based on what its practitioners call the law of similars. The
idea is that if a person has a symptom - such as a fever - it is the body's
way of trying to kill off a germ. So a person would be given a medicine to
help this symptom along: in this case, something that causes fever.

However, homeopathic medicines use only a very, very tiny amount of any
medicine. An active ingredient is diluted, shaken, and diluted again. This
is done so many times that few if any molecules of the original agent remain
in the medicine. The idea is that the essence of the active ingredient is
imparted to the medicine.

Homeopathic Doctors Cry Foul

Clinical trials may be biased, but not more than the Egger study, says
homeopathic doctor Joyce Frye, DO, MBA, president of the American Institute
of Homeopathy and a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania,
Philadelphia.

"It is a flawed study. It starts out with a bias that the authors clearly
state -- an assumption that the beneficial effects seen in clinical trials
of homeopathy are probably from biases," Frye tells WebMD. "They base their
conclusion on the restriction of their analysis to only a few trials --  
eight trials of homeopathy with six trials of conventional medicine. Those
numbers are too small for scientific comparison."

What really irks Frye and other doctors of homeopathy, however, is that
homeopathic remedies are not supposed to be used like medical drugs.

"We are trying to treat the individual rather than the disease," Frye says.
"Only 16% of these clinical trials looked at classical homeopathy as it is
practiced. When we do clinical trials, we try to make them look like
traditional medicine trials, but the reality is that is not where homeopathy
excels. The more we try to fit the framework of traditional medicine, the
more we are flawed in studying the way homeopathy is actually delivered."

For example, Frye says, homeopathy expert and University of Arizona
researcher Iris Bell, MD, PhD, recently studied homeopathic treatment of
fibromyalgia. Bell's team treated about 60 patients but used some 40
different medicines, Frye says.

"Homeopathy is not one medicine for one disease, but medicine that matches
the totality of symptoms a patient has," she notes.

Where's the Medicine?

Where's the Medicine?

The thing about homeopathy that drives most scientists to distraction is the
dilution theory behind homeopathic medicines. The medicines are made by
taking a substance and diluting it again and again -- often until not one
molecule of the substance remains in the final medicine.

The idea, according to material scientist Rustum Roy, PhD, of Penn State
University, is that this changes the structure of the water in which the
active substance is diluted.

"It is a fact that the structure of water and therefore the informational
content of water can be altered in infinite ways," Roy says in a news
release from the National Center for Homeopathy.

But other researchers find such arguments absurd.

In an editorial accompanying the Egger study, Jan P. Vandenbroucke, MD, PhD,
professor of clinical epidemiology, Leiden University Medical Center,
Netherlands, notes that objections to the theory go back to 1846. It was
then that British researcher John Forbes said that the idea of a medicine
getting stronger the more it is diluted is "an outrage to human reason."

"I do not know what it is about the dilution theory that attracts people to
it. I really do not know," Vandenbroucke tells WebMD. "But somehow the
appeal has been consistent for 150 years."

What Doctors Can Learn From Homeopathy

Given his study, it is surprising to learn that Eggers thinks people get a
real benefit from seeing homeopathic doctors.

"Homeopathy is difficult to reconcile with basic scientific principles,"
Eggers says. "But the clinical literature is compatible with the notion that
people treated with homeopathy do feel better."

Eggers explains that his study casts serious doubt on whether homeopathic
medicines have specific effects.

But there's more to homeopathy than drugs, he says.

"Perhaps the positive effect is due to the wider experience of meeting
someone who is very interested in you, who takes a very detailed history
that no conventional doctor would do," Eggers says. "It is the whole
experience of this holistic system. I am not surprised when people get
better and share these beliefs. But is it something in that little white
pill, or is it something in the relationship and the process of seeing a
homeopathic practitioner?"

The advantage homeopathy and other alternative therapies have over
traditional medicine, Vandenbroucke says, is that practitioners of these
treatments spend more time with people than doctors are able to do.

"Even if people give you the wrong explanation about what you seek treatment
for, the fact that they spend a long time speaking with you might help,"
Vandenbroucke suggests. "This does not mean the principle behind homeopathy
works. And the tendency of many medical doctors to say, 'Well, it won't do
harm, and if the patients like it, let's do it' -- this is intellectually
dishonest. Because patients have a right to know if a medicine really works
or not."

If the context of homeopathy works -- but not homeopathic medicine -- then
doctors have a lot to learn.

On the other hand, just buying homeopathic remedies at your local drug
store -- where they are available without prescription -- is a bad idea.

"My message to patients is clear and simple," Vandenbroucke says. "As a drug
principle, homeopathy just doesn't work. That does not mean that if people
talk with you for a long time, and are concerned about you, you won't feel
better. But just going to the pharmacy and buying it does not work."

Frye, too, has advice for patients. She speaks as a patient as well as a
practitioner -- homeopathy, she says, once saved her son from a
life-threatening illness.

"Homeopathy it is worth exploring to see if it can help, regardless of what
the naysayers say," Fry says. "It is about treating patients, not about
doing studies. Although we would love to do big studies if anybody was out
there wiling to fund them."

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SOURCES: Shang, A. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 726-732.
Vandenbroucke, J.P. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 691-692. News
release, National Center for Homeopathy. Matthias Egger, MD, director,
department of social and preventive medicine, University of Berne,
Switzerland. Jan P. Vandenbroucke, MD, PhD, professor of clinical
epidemiology, Leiden University Medical Center, Netherlands. Joyce Frye, DO,
MBA, president, American Institute of Homeopathy and postdoctoral research
fellow, center for clinical epidemiology and biostatistics, University of
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.

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I coulda told them that!  I finally had to switch doctors because while he
agreed I had fibromyalgia, he wanted to try all kinds of homeopathic things
before he'd give me the REAL stuff for the pain.  I finally gave up and went
to a different dr.
"Sunshine&Lollipops" <NotARealEmailA@aol.com- wrote in news


- Original page:
-

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- Study: Homeopathy Drugs Don't Work

- Homeopathic Remedies No Better Than Sugar Pills?

-      By Daniel DeNoon
-      WebMD Medical News  Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
-      on Thursday, August 25, 2005

- Aug. 25, 2005 -- The widely touted benefits of homeopathic drugs are
- merely placebo effects, a new study suggests.

- Clinical trials almost always show that patients given inactive sugar
- pills -- placebos -- do better than untreated patients. It's called the
- placebo effect.

- Clinical trials of homeopathic remedies sometimes show that these
- treatments work better than placebos. But a new analysis -- comparing
- published studies of homeopathic drugs to matched, randomly selected
- studies of medical drugs -- suggests that these apparent homeopathic drug
- effects are merely placebo effects.

- Matthias Egger, MD, director of the department of social and preventive
- medicine (ISPM) at the University of Berne, Switzerland, led the study. He
- notes that small studies of both homeopathic and medical drugs are prey to
- biases favoring positive results. Such studies, he says, show relatively
- large positive effects for both homeopathic and conventional medicines.

- But larger, more careful studies have fewer biases, Egger says. And these
- studies tell a different story.

- "The effect of homeopathy disappears if you look only at large, good
- trials; whereas the conventional medicines' effect is still there," Egger
- tells WebMD. "This means there is no difference between placebo and
- homeopathic remedies."

- Egger and colleagues report their findings in the Aug. 27 issue of The
- Lancet.

- What is Homeopathy ?

- Homeopathy is based on what its practitioners call the law of similars.
- The idea is that if a person has a symptom - such as a fever - it is the
- body's way of trying to kill off a germ. So a person would be given a
- medicine to help this symptom along: in this case, something that causes
- fever.

- However, homeopathic medicines use only a very, very tiny amount of any
- medicine. An active ingredient is diluted, shaken, and diluted again. This
- is done so many times that few if any molecules of the original agent
- remain in the medicine. The idea is that the essence of the active
- ingredient is imparted to the medicine.

- Homeopathic Doctors Cry Foul

- Clinical trials may be biased, but not more than the Egger study, says
- homeopathic doctor Joyce Frye, DO, MBA, president of the American
- Institute of Homeopathy and a researcher at the University of
- Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.

- "It is a flawed study. It starts out with a bias that the authors clearly
- state -- an assumption that the beneficial effects seen in clinical trials
- of homeopathy are probably from biases," Frye tells WebMD. "They base
- their conclusion on the restriction of their analysis to only a few
- trials --  eight trials of homeopathy with six trials of conventional
- medicine. Those numbers are too small for scientific comparison."

- What really irks Frye and other doctors of homeopathy, however, is that
- homeopathic remedies are not supposed to be used like medical drugs.

- "We are trying to treat the individual rather than the disease," Frye
- says. "Only 16% of these clinical trials looked at classical homeopathy as
- it is practiced. When we do clinical trials, we try to make them look like
- traditional medicine trials, but the reality is that is not where
- homeopathy excels. The more we try to fit the framework of traditional
- medicine, the more we are flawed in studying the way homeopathy is
- actually delivered."

- For example, Frye says, homeopathy expert and University of Arizona
- researcher Iris Bell, MD, PhD, recently studied homeopathic treatment of
- fibromyalgia. Bell's team treated about 60 patients but used some 40
- different medicines, Frye says.

- "Homeopathy is not one medicine for one disease, but medicine that matches
- the totality of symptoms a patient has," she notes.

- Where's the Medicine?

- Where's the Medicine?

- The thing about homeopathy that drives most scientists to distraction is
- the dilution theory behind homeopathic medicines. The medicines are made
- by taking a substance and diluting it again and again -- often until not
- one molecule of the substance remains in the final medicine.

- The idea, according to material scientist Rustum Roy, PhD, of Penn State
- University, is that this changes the structure of the water in which the
- active substance is diluted.

- "It is a fact that the structure of water and therefore the informational
- content of water can be altered in infinite ways," Roy says in a news
- release from the National Center for Homeopathy.

- But other researchers find such arguments absurd.

- In an editorial accompanying the Egger study, Jan P. Vandenbroucke, MD,
- PhD, professor of clinical epidemiology, Leiden University Medical Center,
- Netherlands, notes that objections to the theory go back to 1846. It was
- then that British researcher John Forbes said that the idea of a medicine
- getting stronger the more it is diluted is "an outrage to human reason."

- "I do not know what it is about the dilution theory that attracts people
- to it. I really do not know," Vandenbroucke tells WebMD. "But somehow the
- appeal has been consistent for 150 years."

- What Doctors Can Learn From Homeopathy

- Given his study, it is surprising to learn that Eggers thinks people get a
- real benefit from seeing homeopathic doctors.

- "Homeopathy is difficult to reconcile with basic scientific principles,"
- Eggers says. "But the clinical literature is compatible with the notion
- that people treated with homeopathy do feel better."

- Eggers explains that his study casts serious doubt on whether homeopathic
- medicines have specific effects.

- But there's more to homeopathy than drugs, he says.

- "Perhaps the positive effect is due to the wider experience of meeting
- someone who is very interested in you, who takes a very detailed history
- that no conventional doctor would do," Eggers says. "It is the whole
- experience of this holistic system. I am not surprised when people get
- better and share these beliefs. But is it something in that little white
- pill, or is it something in the relationship and the process of seeing a
- homeopathic practitioner?"

- The advantage homeopathy and other alternative therapies have over
- traditional medicine, Vandenbroucke says, is that practitioners of these
- treatments spend more time with people than doctors are able to do.

- "Even if people give you the wrong explanation about what you seek
- treatment for, the fact that they spend a long time speaking with you
- might help," Vandenbroucke suggests. "This does not mean the principle
- behind homeopathy works. And the tendency of many medical doctors to say,
- 'Well, it won't do harm, and if the patients like it, let's do it' -- this
- is intellectually dishonest. Because patients have a right to know if a
- medicine really works or not."

- If the context of homeopathy works -- but not homeopathic medicine -- then
- doctors have a lot to learn.

- On the other hand, just buying homeopathic remedies at your local drug
- store -- where they are available without prescription -- is a bad idea.

- "My message to patients is clear and simple," Vandenbroucke says. "As a
- drug principle, homeopathy just doesn't work. That does not mean that if
- people talk with you for a long time, and are concerned about you, you
- won't feel better. But just going to the pharmacy and buying it does not
- work."

- Frye, too, has advice for patients. She speaks as a patient as well as a
- practitioner -- homeopathy, she says, once saved her son from a
- life-threatening illness.

- "Homeopathy it is worth exploring to see if it can help, regardless of
- what the naysayers say," Fry says. "It is about treating patients, not
- about doing studies. Although we would love to do big studies if anybody
- was out there wiling to fund them."

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

- SOURCES: Shang, A. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 726-732.
- Vandenbroucke, J.P. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 691-692. News
- release, National Center for Homeopathy. Matthias Egger, MD, director,
- department of social and preventive medicine, University of Berne,
- Switzerland. Jan P. Vandenbroucke, MD, PhD, professor of clinical
- epidemiology, Leiden University Medical Center, Netherlands. Joyce Frye,
- DO, MBA, president, American Institute of Homeopathy and postdoctoral
- research fellow, center for clinical epidemiology and biostatistics,
- University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

- © 2005 WebMD Inc. All rights reserved.


Hey I didn't write ,I just posted it.
 "Put some ice on it, It'll be fine" <grin-

"Kristy" <Wembe@noneayobiz.com- wrote in news


- I coulda told them that!  I finally had to switch doctors because
- while he agreed I had fibromyalgia, he wanted to try all kinds of
- homeopathic things before he'd give me the REAL stuff for the pain. I
- finally gave up and went to a different dr.
- "Sunshine&Lollipops" <NotARealEmailA@aol.com- wrote in news
-
-- Original page:
--

-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

-- Study: Homeopathy Drugs Don't Work

-- Homeopathic Remedies No Better Than Sugar Pills?

--      By Daniel DeNoon
--      WebMD Medical News  Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
--      on Thursday, August 25, 2005

-- Aug. 25, 2005 -- The widely touted benefits of homeopathic drugs are
-- merely placebo effects, a new study suggests.

-- Clinical trials almost always show that patients given inactive sugar
-- pills -- placebos -- do better than untreated patients. It's called
-- the placebo effect.

-- Clinical trials of homeopathic remedies sometimes show that these
-- treatments work better than placebos. But a new analysis -- comparing
-- published studies of homeopathic drugs to matched, randomly selected
-- studies of medical drugs -- suggests that these apparent homeopathic
-- drug effects are merely placebo effects.

-- Matthias Egger, MD, director of the department of social and
-- preventive medicine (ISPM) at the University of Berne, Switzerland,
-- led the study. He notes that small studies of both homeopathic and
-- medical drugs are prey to biases favoring positive results. Such
-- studies, he says, show relatively large positive effects for both
-- homeopathic and conventional medicines. But larger, more careful studies
-- have fewer biases, Egger says. And
-- these studies tell a different story.

-- "The effect of homeopathy disappears if you look only at large, good
-- trials; whereas the conventional medicines' effect is still there,"
-- Egger tells WebMD. "This means there is no difference between
-- placebo and homeopathic remedies."

-- Egger and colleagues report their findings in the Aug. 27 issue of
-- The Lancet.

-- What is Homeopathy ?

-- Homeopathy is based on what its practitioners call the law of
-- similars. The idea is that if a person has a symptom - such as a
-- fever - it is the body's way of trying to kill off a germ. So a
-- person would be given a medicine to help this symptom along: in this
-- case, something that causes fever.

-- However, homeopathic medicines use only a very, very tiny amount of
-- any medicine. An active ingredient is diluted, shaken, and diluted
-- again. This is done so many times that few if any molecules of the
-- original agent remain in the medicine. The idea is that the essence
-- of the active ingredient is imparted to the medicine.

-- Homeopathic Doctors Cry Foul

-- Clinical trials may be biased, but not more than the Egger study,
-- says homeopathic doctor Joyce Frye, DO, MBA, president of the
-- American Institute of Homeopathy and a researcher at the University
-- of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.

-- "It is a flawed study. It starts out with a bias that the authors
-- clearly state -- an assumption that the beneficial effects seen in
-- clinical trials of homeopathy are probably from biases," Frye tells
-- WebMD. "They base their conclusion on the restriction of their
-- analysis to only a few trials --  eight trials of homeopathy with
-- six trials of conventional medicine. Those numbers are too small for
-- scientific comparison." What really irks Frye and other doctors of
-- homeopathy, however, is
-- that homeopathic remedies are not supposed to be used like medical
-- drugs. "We are trying to treat the individual rather than the disease,"
-- Frye
-- says. "Only 16% of these clinical trials looked at classical
-- homeopathy as it is practiced. When we do clinical trials, we try to
-- make them look like traditional medicine trials, but the reality is
-- that is not where homeopathy excels. The more we try to fit the
-- framework of traditional medicine, the more we are flawed in
-- studying the way homeopathy is actually delivered."

-- For example, Frye says, homeopathy expert and University of Arizona
-- researcher Iris Bell, MD, PhD, recently studied homeopathic
-- treatment of fibromyalgia. Bell's team treated about 60 patients but
-- used some 40 different medicines, Frye says.

-- "Homeopathy is not one medicine for one disease, but medicine that
-- matches the totality of symptoms a patient has," she notes.

-- Where's the Medicine?

-- Where's the Medicine?

-- The thing about homeopathy that drives most scientists to
-- distraction is the dilution theory behind homeopathic medicines. The
-- medicines are made by taking a substance and diluting it again and
-- again -- often until not one molecule of the substance remains in
-- the final medicine. The idea, according to material scientist Rustum Roy,
-- PhD, of Penn
-- State University, is that this changes the structure of the water in
-- which the active substance is diluted.

-- "It is a fact that the structure of water and therefore the
-- informational content of water can be altered in infinite ways," Roy
-- says in a news release from the National Center for Homeopathy.

-- But other researchers find such arguments absurd.

-- In an editorial accompanying the Egger study, Jan P. Vandenbroucke,
-- MD, PhD, professor of clinical epidemiology, Leiden University
-- Medical Center, Netherlands, notes that objections to the theory go
-- back to 1846. It was then that British researcher John Forbes said
-- that the idea of a medicine getting stronger the more it is diluted
-- is "an outrage to human reason." "I do not know what it is about the
-- dilution theory that attracts
-- people to it. I really do not know," Vandenbroucke tells WebMD. "But
-- somehow the appeal has been consistent for 150 years."

-- What Doctors Can Learn From Homeopathy

-- Given his study, it is surprising to learn that Eggers thinks people
-- get a real benefit from seeing homeopathic doctors.

-- "Homeopathy is difficult to reconcile with basic scientific
-- principles," Eggers says. "But the clinical literature is compatible
-- with the notion that people treated with homeopathy do feel better."

-- Eggers explains that his study casts serious doubt on whether
-- homeopathic medicines have specific effects.

-- But there's more to homeopathy than drugs, he says.

-- "Perhaps the positive effect is due to the wider experience of
-- meeting someone who is very interested in you, who takes a very
-- detailed history that no conventional doctor would do," Eggers says.
-- "It is the whole experience of this holistic system. I am not
-- surprised when people get better and share these beliefs. But is it
-- something in that little white pill, or is it something in the
-- relationship and the process of seeing a homeopathic practitioner?"

-- The advantage homeopathy and other alternative therapies have over
-- traditional medicine, Vandenbroucke says, is that practitioners of
-- these treatments spend more time with people than doctors are able
-- to do. "Even if people give you the wrong explanation about what you seek
-- treatment for, the fact that they spend a long time speaking with you
-- might help," Vandenbroucke suggests. "This does not mean the
-- principle behind homeopathy works. And the tendency of many medical
-- doctors to say, 'Well, it won't do harm, and if the patients like
-- it, let's do it' -- this is intellectually dishonest. Because
-- patients have a right to know if a medicine really works or not."

-- If the context of homeopathy works -- but not homeopathic medicine
-- -- then doctors have a lot to learn.

-- On the other hand, just buying homeopathic remedies at your local
-- drug store -- where they are available without prescription -- is a
-- bad idea. "My message to patients is clear and simple," Vandenbroucke
-- says.
-- "As a drug principle, homeopathy just doesn't work. That does not
-- mean that if people talk with you for a long time, and are concerned
-- about you, you won't feel better. But just going to the pharmacy and
-- buying it does not work."

-- Frye, too, has advice for patients. She speaks as a patient as well
-- as a practitioner -- homeopathy, she says, once saved her son from a
-- life-threatening illness.

-- "Homeopathy it is worth exploring to see if it can help, regardless
-- of what the naysayers say," Fry says. "It is about treating
-- patients, not about doing studies. Although we would love to do big
-- studies if anybody was out there wiling to fund them."

-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

-- SOURCES: Shang, A. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 726-732.
-- Vandenbroucke, J.P. The Lancet, Aug. 27, 2005; vol 366: pp 691-692.
-- News release, National Center for Homeopathy. Matthias Egger, MD,
-- director, department of social and preventive medicine, University
-- of Berne, Switzerland. Jan P. Vandenbroucke, MD, PhD, professor of
-- clinical epidemiology, Leiden University Medical Center,
-- Netherlands. Joyce Frye, DO, MBA, president, American Institute of
-- Homeopathy and postdoctoral research fellow, center for clinical
-- epidemiology and biostatistics, University of Pennsylvania,
-- Philadelphia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

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