You, are very ignorant of homeopathic remedies and only parrot what you
have heard from the slanderous chem/cut poison jockeys.
"HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
- "Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
-
- - Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective
- remedies.
- Where and when? So who got the million dollars?
- - Even without any studies to prove (using so called "scientific medical"
- - techniques) some homeopathic remedies have worked very well for me, my
- - friends and family members over the years.
- Or so you think.
- Homeopathics have saved tax
- - payers thousands of dollars on unnecessary operations and wasted poisons
- for
- - Doctors floundering in the dark over simple things like ear infections
and
- - pneumonia on just my children alone. Think of the millions of cases the
- - chem/cut doctors feed poisons for year because of lack of understanding
of
- - homeopathics.
- Actually homeopathy is literally money flowing down the drain. There is
- nothing in it so when the body is done processing the stuff the
"nothing"
- was carried in it is flushed.
- - Or did your kids get tubes puncturing their eardrums? (are you allowed
to
- - have children?)
- - "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
- -
- - - "Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
- - -
- - - - hmmm.. the homeopathic remedies I have taken don't seem to be water.
- The
- - - - hard little pills and oil based solutions don't taste or feel like
- water
- - - to
- - - - me. dumb dumb
- - - - "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
- - - -
- - - - -
- - - - - Homeopathy is just water (or a sugar pill) it does not cure
- - anything,
- - - - - because it does not contain anything.
- - - Or maybe some other pill that was not just milk sugar perhaps it
was
- a
- - - Vitamin E pill that was being sold to you as "homeopathic". By
- definition
- - - homeopathic solutions have NO active ingredients. In other words:
your
- - - wallet was lightened and you were suckered.
- - - Yes, it is "dumb dumb" to think that homeopathy has any worth.
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Not in Ontario, Canada. You will lose your quota from the only dairy
marketting board available and you are out of business. They even threaten
if you drink youur own product.
"DRCEEPHD" <drcee@aol.com- wrote in news
- -Subject: Re: Can Homeopathy cure lactose intolerance ?
- -From: "Gymmy Bob" nospamm@bite.me
- -Date: 6/2/04 7:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
- -Message-id: <HeKdnSEFiefb_iPdRVn@golden.net-
- -If he gets caught he will be selling the farm without his milk quota to.
- Nada. You can still get a license to sell non homogenized and non
pasteurized
- milk and milk products.
- The problem is that it takes a very knowledgeable consumer to want to buy
and
- appreciate your product.
- DrC PhD
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Not correct! They do not understand how it works in terms of "their" modern
bioscience. Ignorance doe not make it wrong as much as your ignorant,
opinionated post doesn't make you a complete idiot or an asshole
"HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
- "Danny" <D@namail.zzn.com- wrote in news
-
- snip
- - of life. And again, since conventional medicines are no good, I'm trying
- - to look for other ways, such as homeopathy.
- snip..
- Think of this many times there are treatments that are proposed that
are
- called "alternative". Sometimes there is resistence to them, but if they
- are tried and studied and found to work they stop being "alternative" and
- become part conventional medicine.
- Homeopathy has been around for a long time it has had lots of time to
- show that it works. If it had been shown to work it would now be part of
- conventional medicine. It has not and if someone can prove it works
- well, there is lots of cash out there for whoever does.
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"Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
- You, are very ignorant of homeopathic remedies and only parrot what you
- have heard from the slanderous chem/cut poison jockeys.
Okay, educate me tell me exactly how does a very very very very very very
very very very very very very dilute solution have any effect?
- "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
- - "Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
- -
- - - Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective
- - remedies.
. Again How was homeopathic proven to be effective?
Give the links to the abstracts on PubMed to the actual papers showing
effectiveness.
How exactly does a very very very very very very very very very very dilute
solution of something have any effect?
Try answering without ad hominems.
- - Where and when? So who got the million dollars?
If you can prove homeopathy works there is a $1000000.00 prize. Go for it.
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"Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
- Not correct! They do not understand how it works in terms of "their"
modern
- bioscience. Ignorance doe not make it wrong as much as your ignorant,
- opinionated post doesn't make you a complete idiot or an asshole
Then YOU go and explain how it works. Explain it in complete and full
detail. Shine a light in the ignorance of the scientifically literate and
show them the way to true homeopathic enlightenment. Show the chemically
cognizant the error in Avogadro's Number and why it is irrelevant in
homeopathic solutions.
Remember if you can possitively and absolutely prove the worth of the very
very very very very diluted mixtures used in homeopathy then you can
claim a one million dollar prize. Go for it.
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In article <Asqdnd-UQLOI_iPdRVn@golden.net-,
Gymmy Bob <nospamm@bite.me- wrote:
-Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective remedies.
-Even without any studies to prove (using so called "scientific medical"
Not reliably, no -- not if we're talking replicated double-blind
studies. If homeopathic remedies were as great as the proponents
claim they are, it'd be child's play to set up a double-blind test to
show this unequivocally, and it would have happened many times.
It hasn't.
-techniques) some homeopathic remedies have worked very well for me, my
-friends and family members over the years.
I'm glad you're suggestible.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Homeopathics have saved tax
-payers thousands of dollars on unnecessary operations and wasted poisons for
-Doctors floundering in the dark over simple things like ear infections and
-pneumonia on just my children alone. Think of the millions of cases the
-chem/cut doctors feed poisons for year because of lack of understanding of
-homeopathics.
-Or did your kids get tubes puncturing their eardrums? (are you allowed to
-have children?)
-"HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
-
-- "Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
--
-- - hmmm.. the homeopathic remedies I have taken don't seem to be water. The
-- - hard little pills and oil based solutions don't taste or feel like water
-- to
-- - me. dumb dumb
-- - "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
-- -
-- - -
-- - - Homeopathy is just water (or a sugar pill) it does not cure
-anything,
-- - - because it does not contain anything.
-- Or maybe some other pill that was not just milk sugar perhaps it was a
-- Vitamin E pill that was being sold to you as "homeopathic". By definition
-- homeopathic solutions have NO active ingredients. In other words: your
-- wallet was lightened and you were suckered.
-- Yes, it is "dumb dumb" to think that homeopathy has any worth.
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-Subject: Re: Can Homeopathy cure lactose intolerance ?
-From: "HCN" h@nospam.com
-Date: 6/2/2004 7:40 PM Pacific Standard Time
-Message-id: <O4xvc.43982$Ly.25315@attbi_s01-
-"Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
-
-- You, are very ignorant of homeopathic remedies and only parrot what you
-- have heard from the slanderous chem/cut poison jockeys.
-Okay, educate me tell me exactly how does a very very very very very very
-very very very very very very dilute solution have any effect?
-- "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
-
-- - "Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news
-- -
-- - - Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective
-- - remedies.
- . Again How was homeopathic proven to be effective?
-Give the links to the abstracts on PubMed to the actual papers showing
-effectiveness.
I just did.
We found that homoeopathy and placebo had different effects. Compared with
placebo, homoeopathy provoked a clear, significant, and clinically relevant
improvement in nasal inspiratory peak flow, similar to that found with topical
steroids.15 However, the subjective improvement was less clear. Although the
objective measure consistently improved in all five centres, the subjective
results were better than placebo in only four of the five centres and overall
there was no difference between the groups. If the objective results are valid
the discrepancy in the subjective measurements may be partly due to under
recruitment compounded by aggravations and possible initial placebo responses
during the run-in period in both groups, perhaps reflecting the positive
expectations of the participants.23 Patients with rhinitis are keen to enter
studies in their quest for better symptom control.24 Subjective improvement
began before the end of the placebo run-in phase in both groups, and this
lessened the chance of distinguishing between the groups.25 26 A larger sample
size may have shown a subjective difference between the groups. More initial
aggravations occurred in patients who received homoeopathy, and this may have
further complicated the subjective results. The pattern of temporary worsening
followed by improvement, seen in this trial and observed in clinical
homoeopathy for over 200 years,27 28 is not typical of placebo.
Validity of results
Like any other therapy, homoeopathy requires rigorous scientific testing, and
one study is insufficient evidence. Some perspective may be gleaned by viewing
the results of this trial in the context of the series of which it is part.
Except for the subjective measure in this fourth trial, the subjective and
objective results show a trend across these four trials clearly pointing to
homoeopathy being different from placebo. If the results were due to chance
then some trends in favour of placebo would be expected. So does homoeopathy
work or are our results due to some other factor?
Recent attempts to resolve the controversy surrounding homoeopathy have centred
on the 180 or so controlled trials to date. A criteria based review in 1991
found that the evidence was positive but not conclusive.29 In a 1997 update,
other workers concluded that 73% of the existing trial data supported
homoeopathy being more effective than placebo, with the pooled odds ratio from
a criteria based meta-analysis of 89 trials suggesting homoeopathy showed
around twice the overall mean effect of placebo. The difference was significant
and proved robust in sensitivity analyses that included correction for
publication bias.30 A third working group, independently set up by the European
Commission, selected 17 comparisons in 2001 patients for a meta-analysis. The
pooled P value was highly significant, and the group commented that "it is
likely that among the tested homeopathic approaches some had an added effect
over nothing or placebo."31 Are these findings "meta-errors" or, however
implausible, does something tangible lie at the core of homoeopathy?To
interpret these findings as arguing for homoeopathy having an effect may now be
more plausible than our previous hypothesis of serial false positive results.3
32 For now, we conclude that this study has failed to confirm our original
hypothesis that homoeopathy is a placebo.
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-Subject: Re: Can Homeopathy cure lactose intolerance ?
-From: "Gymmy Bob" nospamm@bite.me
-Date: 6/2/2004 6:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time
-Message-id: <OICdnahWIOFKHSPdRVn@golden.net-
- - Doctors floundering in the dark over simple things like ear infections
-and
- pneumonia on just my children alone.
actually more often than not the above mentioned are self limiting viral
infections
"take something and you will be well in a week or take nothing and you will
be well in 7 days"
duh ..
hawki ..
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It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Danny wrote:
- Hello !
- My friend is 35 years old, and about 6 months ago she suddenly
- started to suffer from lactose intolerance. That is, from that point
- of time she practically cannot digest milk products. Many say that
- this is "for life" and that it cannot be cured. There are lactase
- tablets that can be taken with meals to replace the enzyme her body
- no longer produces, but that's not a real solution to the problem,
- and definitely not a cure.
So using these tablets she can still use milk products? That sounds like
quite a good deal since milk isn't really a neccesary part of one's diet
except for babies and even with babies alternatives can be used.
- I wondered whether Homeopathy can offer cure or at least improvement
- for people suffering from lactose intolerance. I know that the answers
- to such a question might not be clear-cut, and that Homeopathic
- treatment has to be adjusted to a person's specific physical and
- mental conditions. Nevertheless, I do believe that prior experience
- can provide some answers. Has any of you ever treated lactose
- intolerance with Homeopathy ? Does any of you know of cases in which
- Homeopathic treatment helped ?
I doubt it unless homeopathy could activate the production of the enzyme
she no longer produces. If there were such a cure it should be easy to
find since it would be a fairly popular one given the large amount of
people who are lactose intolerant.
Vashti
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"Gymmy Bob" <nospamm@bite.me- wrote in news news:
- Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective
remedies.
Not any t3sting that passes the giggle test. There is no worthwhile
replication of post]sitive homeopathic testing.
- Even without any studies to prove (using so called "scientific medical"
- techniques) some homeopathic remedies have worked very well for me, my
- friends and family members over the years. Homeopathics have saved tax
- payers thousands of dollars on unnecessary operations and wasted poisons
for
- Doctors floundering in the dark over simple things like ear infections and
- pneumonia on just my children alone. Think of the millions of cases the
- chem/cut doctors feed poisons for year because of lack of understanding of
- homeopathics.
Or lack of understanding of faith healing.. Were you saying something?
- (are you allowed to
- have children?)
Idiot.
le m
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"mdd" <m@trip.net- wrote in news
- Tell ya what , bright boy, when you have personally examined EVERY
molecule
- in one dose of homeopathic medicine, come back and tell us what you find.
If
- you do not do so, your words are like you , PURE BS.
- "HCN" <h@nospam.com- wrote in news
-
- - "Danny" <D@namail.zzn.com- wrote in news
- -
- - - The diagnosis is correct, no doubt about it. I don't know the
reason
- - for
- - - this and I'm not familiar with her medical history (nor would I dare
- - - ask her about it :-) . The important thing is that she's now
- lactose
- - - intolerant; that's a solid fact. I know that thousands of people live
- with
- - - it and settle for milk substitutes etc.; all I'm trying to do is find
- some
- - - way to regain her ability to digest milk.
- - Why don't you let HER worry about it. You do not know her medical
- history,
- - let her work it out with HER physician.
- - This is just an aspect of quality
- - - of life.
- - Only as far as you are concerned. There are plenty of people who have a
- - perfectly good quality of life withOUT dairy products. There are plenty
- of
- - foods that have calcium plenty of dishes that taste fine without
dairy
- - products and there are substitutes (though one would have to watch
out
- - for soy allergies).
- - -And again, since conventional medicines are no good, I'm trying
- - - to look for other ways, such as homeopathy.
- - How do you know what your friend's physician is doing?
- - And actually conventional medicine with an actual knowledge of how the
- human
- - body works is better than homeopathy which is defined as "like versus
- - like" in solutions so diluted that there is NO molecule in the solution
of
- - the water or solid pill:
- -
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